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Hi,

Sometimes I can see messages from the mailing list that have no Reply-To
header. For example, this is the headers from a recent email from the ML:

Delivered-To: [hidden email]
Received: by 10.223.171.174 with SMTP id s43csp1184445wrc;
         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.233.239.75 with SMTP id
d72mr28079608qkg.313.1490097251746;
         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[hidden email]>
Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com.
[2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233])
         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
5si5329794qty.259.2017.03.21.04.54.11
         for <[hidden email]>
         (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [hidden email]
designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233 as permitted sender)
client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
        dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com;
        spf=pass (google.com: domain of [hidden email]
designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233 as permitted sender)
smtp.mailfrom=[hidden email];
        dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id y76so54702989qkb.0
         for <[hidden email]>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11
-0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
         d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
 
h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
          :cc;
         bh=Az1Qy0ABDDY/isZXuI8r58lTLTG+E/wp0e0IliVZOAk=;
 
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         h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
          :message-id:subject:to:cc;
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X-Received: by 10.55.15.195 with SMTP id 64mr28730703qkp.131.1490097251370;
  Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.12.157.129 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:10 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <[hidden email]>
References:
<[hidden email]>
  <[hidden email]>
<[hidden email]>
  <[hidden email]>
From: Andrey Davydov <[hidden email]>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:54:10 +0300
Message-ID:
<[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [boost] [smart_ptr] Is there any interest in unique_ptr
with type
  erased deleter?
To: [hidden email]
Cc: Andrey Semashev <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1146f4805976ff054b3c4d27

As a result, when I press Reply, the reply is addressed to the original
email sender instead of the mailing list, which is really easy to miss
before sending the message. Is it possible to ensure that every email
from the ML contains [hidden email] in its Reply-To header?

PS: I'm not a guru in email protocols, so if there is another more
appropriate way of doing this then that would be fine with me.

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 3/21/2017 9:24 AM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sometimes I can see messages from the mailing list that have no Reply-To
> header. For example, this is the headers from a recent email from the ML:

Maybe you should explain how you are interacting with the mailing list.
For instance I interact with the mailing list by responding to the GMane
newsgroup 'gmane.comp.lib.boost.devel' using Thunderbird ( on Windows 7
or 8.1 and occasionally on various Linux distros ). Then someone who is
doing what you are doing with the same e-mail software you are using
under the same OS has a somewhat better chance to help you.

>
> Delivered-To: [hidden email]
> Received: by 10.223.171.174 with SMTP id s43csp1184445wrc;
>         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> X-Received: by 10.233.239.75 with SMTP id
> d72mr28079608qkg.313.1490097251746;
>         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Return-Path: <[hidden email]>
> Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com.
> [2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
> 5si5329794qty.259.2017.03.21.04.54.11
>         for <[hidden email]>
>         (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
>         Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [hidden email]
> designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233 as permitted sender)
> client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233;
> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>        dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com;
>        spf=pass (google.com: domain of [hidden email]
> designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233 as permitted sender)
> smtp.mailfrom=[hidden email];
>        dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
> Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id y76so54702989qkb.0
>         for <[hidden email]>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700
> (PDT)
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>         d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
>
> h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
>          :cc;
>         bh=Az1Qy0ABDDY/isZXuI8r58lTLTG+E/wp0e0IliVZOAk=;
>
> b=oPSYU2baFZEWMUKF/s2hay278FTdFBfitQp4TNz5piq0zMWNqePuZaXbUD5SPP0Cnp
>
> He9gQzhynjuN/Lf4fpUtqjOWyntF2BSSrdpYbCSmaWnnSQjTz5s53EkOSVgojqHCfmVr
>
> A3CSJNK5QdAwkNAm+JQRIShSRO/YpWtK90Lhoa9lKlWF+JtIMwCgFG3h5vN1vw+W1xAB
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>         h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
>          :message-id:subject:to:cc;
>         bh=Az1Qy0ABDDY/isZXuI8r58lTLTG+E/wp0e0IliVZOAk=;
>
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>
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>          8wfQ==
> X-Gm-Message-State:
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>
> X-Received: by 10.55.15.195 with SMTP id 64mr28730703qkp.131.1490097251370;
>  Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Received: by 10.12.157.129 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:54:10 -0700 (PDT)
> In-Reply-To: <[hidden email]>
> References:
> <[hidden email]>
>  <[hidden email]>
> <[hidden email]>
>  <[hidden email]>
> From: Andrey Davydov <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:54:10 +0300
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [boost] [smart_ptr] Is there any interest in unique_ptr
> with type
>  erased deleter?
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Andrey Semashev <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1146f4805976ff054b3c4d27
>
> As a result, when I press Reply, the reply is addressed to the original
> email sender instead of the mailing list, which is really easy to miss
> before sending the message. Is it possible to ensure that every email
> from the ML contains [hidden email] in its Reply-To header?
>
> PS: I'm not a guru in email protocols, so if there is another more
> appropriate way of doing this then that would be fine with me.
>
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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 21 March 2017 at 18:53, Edward Diener via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 3/21/2017 9:24 AM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sometimes I can see messages from the mailing list that have no Reply-To
>> header. For example, this is the headers from a recent email from the ML:
>
>
> Maybe you should explain how you are interacting with the mailing list. For
> instance I interact with the mailing list by responding to the GMane
> newsgroup 'gmane.comp.lib.boost.devel' using Thunderbird ( on Windows 7 or
> 8.1 and occasionally on various Linux distros ). Then someone who is doing
> what you are doing with the same e-mail software you are using under the
> same OS has a somewhat better chance to help you.

The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Edward Diener via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 3/21/2017 9:24 AM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sometimes I can see messages from the mailing list that have no Reply-To
>> header. For example, this is the headers from a recent email from the ML:
>
> Maybe you should explain how you are interacting with the mailing list.

I'm using Thunderbird on Kubuntu 16.10 as an email client to read and
reply to emails I receive from the mailing list.

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Daniel James via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 21 March 2017 at 18:53, Edward Diener via Boost
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 3/21/2017 9:24 AM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sometimes I can see messages from the mailing list that have no Reply-To
>>> header. For example, this is the headers from a recent email from the ML:
>>
>> Maybe you should explain how you are interacting with the mailing list. For
>> instance I interact with the mailing list by responding to the GMane
>> newsgroup 'gmane.comp.lib.boost.devel' using Thunderbird ( on Windows 7 or
>> 8.1 and occasionally on various Linux distros ). Then someone who is doing
>> what you are doing with the same e-mail software you are using under the
>> same OS has a somewhat better chance to help you.
>
> The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
> the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
> so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
> list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.

I see. So the problem appears whenever a person does Reply to All,
which sends two messages - to the ML and the original author that is
specified in CC? But was the older infrastructure adding CC to the
messages from the ML? I think it wasn't. Do we need the CC?

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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AMDG

On 03/21/2017 04:05 PM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Daniel James via Boost
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
>> the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
>> so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
>> list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.
>
> I see. So the problem appears whenever a person does Reply to All,
> which sends two messages - to the ML and the original author that is
> specified in CC? But was the older infrastructure adding CC to the
> messages from the ML? I think it wasn't. Do we need the CC?
>

  The From field used to be the sender, but was
changed to be the list.  Without the CC, the
sender's email won't appear anywhere.  Besides
which, reply all could always cause this issue
(and I have observed it occasionally in the past).

In Christ,
Steven Watanabe


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 21 March 2017 at 16:21, Steven Watanabe via Boost <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> AMDG
>

<snip>

In Christ,


IMHO we should keep this list a-political and a-religious. Maybe nobody
else minds, but I do mind. This list, as far as I understood is about boost
and c++, please limit it to that.

degski

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 03/22/17 01:21, Steven Watanabe via Boost wrote:

> AMDG
>
> On 03/21/2017 04:05 PM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Daniel James via Boost
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
>>> the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
>>> so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
>>> list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.
>>
>> I see. So the problem appears whenever a person does Reply to All,
>> which sends two messages - to the ML and the original author that is
>> specified in CC? But was the older infrastructure adding CC to the
>> messages from the ML? I think it wasn't. Do we need the CC?
>>
>
>   The From field used to be the sender, but was
> changed to be the list.  Without the CC, the
> sender's email won't appear anywhere.  Besides
> which, reply all could always cause this issue
> (and I have observed it occasionally in the past).

The sender is still present in the From on my end. Here's what I see in
your message:

To: [hidden email]
From: Steven Watanabe via Boost <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: [hidden email]
Cc: Steven Watanabe <[hidden email]>
Sender: "Boost" <[hidden email]>

Your message contains Reply-To, so when I hit Reply the composed message
is correctly addressed to [hidden email].


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 03/22/17 01:34, Andrey Semashev wrote:

> On 03/22/17 01:21, Steven Watanabe via Boost wrote:
>> AMDG
>>
>> On 03/21/2017 04:05 PM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Daniel James via Boost
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
>>>> the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
>>>> so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
>>>> list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.
>>>
>>> I see. So the problem appears whenever a person does Reply to All,
>>> which sends two messages - to the ML and the original author that is
>>> specified in CC? But was the older infrastructure adding CC to the
>>> messages from the ML? I think it wasn't. Do we need the CC?
>>>
>>
>>   The From field used to be the sender, but was
>> changed to be the list.  Without the CC, the
>> sender's email won't appear anywhere.  Besides
>> which, reply all could always cause this issue
>> (and I have observed it occasionally in the past).
>
> The sender is still present in the From on my end. Here's what I see in
> your message:
>
> To: [hidden email]
> From: Steven Watanabe via Boost <[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Steven Watanabe <[hidden email]>
> Sender: "Boost" <[hidden email]>
>
> Your message contains Reply-To, so when I hit Reply the composed message
> is correctly addressed to [hidden email].

Oh, disregard that. I sent it before I actually read the email address.
Sorry.


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 03/22/17 01:21, Steven Watanabe via Boost wrote:

> AMDG
>
> On 03/21/2017 04:05 PM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Daniel James via Boost
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem is that Andrey was cc'd in the email, which arrived before
>>> the email from the mailing list. Both mails have the same message-id,
>>> so gmail discards the second one it receives. This means the mailing
>>> list software doesn't have a chance to change the headers.
>>
>> I see. So the problem appears whenever a person does Reply to All,
>> which sends two messages - to the ML and the original author that is
>> specified in CC? But was the older infrastructure adding CC to the
>> messages from the ML? I think it wasn't. Do we need the CC?
>>
>
>   The From field used to be the sender, but was
> changed to be the list.  Without the CC, the
> sender's email won't appear anywhere.  Besides
> which, reply all could always cause this issue
> (and I have observed it occasionally in the past).

Still, I've never had this problem with the previous infrastructure.
Maybe the email clients tend to not send the second email to the From
address when there is Reply-To. For example, the std-discussion and
std-proposals mailing lists use this scheme:

From: real original sender address
To: mailing list address (e.g. "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]>)
Reply-To: mailing list address (e.g. [hidden email])

No Cc headers.

Can we use this scheme?


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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AMDG

On 03/21/2017 04:55 PM, Andrey Semashev via Boost wrote:

>
> Still, I've never had this problem with the previous infrastructure.
> Maybe the email clients tend to not send the second email to the From
> address when there is Reply-To. For example, the std-discussion and
> std-proposals mailing lists use this scheme:
>
> From: real original sender address
> To: mailing list address (e.g. "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>)
> Reply-To: mailing list address (e.g. [hidden email])
>
> No Cc headers.
>
> Can we use this scheme?
>

We used to.

Please see http://lists.boost.org/Archives/boost/2016/05/229693.php
and https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/boost-steering/EcKn2yA9ip4

In Christ,
Steven Watanabe



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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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> Still, I've never had this problem with the previous infrastructure.
> Maybe the email clients tend to not send the second email to the From
> address when there is Reply-To. For example, the std-discussion and
> std-proposals mailing lists use this scheme:
>
> From: real original sender address
> To: mailing list address (e.g. "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>)
> Reply-To: mailing list address (e.g. [hidden email])
>
> No Cc headers.
>
> Can we use this scheme?

That was the previous scheme which caused the DMARC failure because
DMARC won't allow this ML to send email From: an address it does not own.

Regarding your problems, I'm on Thunderbird and I'm finding no problem
at all with the new ML config. Somebody obviously told Thunderbird about
the new munging option for Mailman and it all "just works".

The real problem seems to me to be gmail having stupid handling.

Niall

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 21 March 2017 at 17:10, Steven Watanabe via Boost <[hidden email]>
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> AMDG
>

<snip>


> In Christ,
> Steven Watanabe
>

IMHO the boost mailing list should be free of political and/or religious
expressions. Maybe nobody else minds, but I do mind (I'm happy to
elaborate, if required). Steven, please refrain from expressing your
personal beliefs in every mail you send to a mailing list dealing with
boost and c++ and limit the contents to those 2 subjects.

degski

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:19 PM, degski via Boost <[hidden email]>
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> On 21 March 2017 at 17:10, Steven Watanabe via Boost <
> [hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > AMDG
> >
>
> <snip>
>
>
> > In Christ,
> > Steven Watanabe
> >
>
> IMHO the boost mailing list should be free of political and/or religious
> expressions. Maybe nobody else minds, but I do mind (I'm happy to
> elaborate, if required). Steven, please refrain from expressing your
> personal beliefs in every mail you send to a mailing list dealing with
> boost and c++ and limit the contents to those 2 subjects.
>

We've had that discussion before, multiple times.. And actually I think I
started the first one of those. Just chill :-) It's not that important. And
think of it on par with the sig lines some people use (looks at his own).
And just be happy it's not a 50 line totally irrelevant and un-enforceable
legal disclaimer. Now those are something to get upset about ;-)

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-- Rene Rivera
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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Niall Douglas via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Still, I've never had this problem with the previous infrastructure.
>> Maybe the email clients tend to not send the second email to the From
>> address when there is Reply-To. For example, the std-discussion and
>> std-proposals mailing lists use this scheme:
>>
>> From: real original sender address
>> To: mailing list address (e.g. "[hidden email]"
>> <[hidden email]>)
>> Reply-To: mailing list address (e.g. [hidden email])
>>
>> No Cc headers.
>>
>> Can we use this scheme?
>
> That was the previous scheme which caused the DMARC failure because
> DMARC won't allow this ML to send email From: an address it does not own.

Well, I'm not sure I understand the details, but I can see the
problems with DMARC were resolved for isocpp.org lists at some point:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/boost-steering/EcKn2yA9ip4

And I can see that now the emails from those lists contain the
original sender address in the From header. I'm not sure how exactly
that was achieved, but I would like this list behave the same way.

> Regarding your problems, I'm on Thunderbird and I'm finding no problem
> at all with the new ML config. Somebody obviously told Thunderbird about
> the new munging option for Mailman and it all "just works".
>
> The real problem seems to me to be gmail having stupid handling.

As I understand, this is not a client problem per se, since it is
supposed to add CC to a reply when the user hits Reply All. Just as
the mail server is supposed to deliver the message to all recipients.
It so happens that mail delivery between gmail accounts sometimes
happens faster than the roundtrip between gmail and the ML server,
which makes the email from the ML a duplicate and lost.

You're not seeing the problem probably because there are no other
participants from nedprod.com, so the problem is less likely to appear
for you.

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Niall Douglas via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Still, I've never had this problem with the previous infrastructure.
>> Maybe the email clients tend to not send the second email to the From
>> address when there is Reply-To. For example, the std-discussion and
>> std-proposals mailing lists use this scheme:
>>
>> From: real original sender address
>> To: mailing list address (e.g. "[hidden email]"
>> <[hidden email]>)
>> Reply-To: mailing list address (e.g. [hidden email])
>>
>> No Cc headers.
>>
>> Can we use this scheme?
>
> That was the previous scheme which caused the DMARC failure because
> DMARC won't allow this ML to send email From: an address it does not own.
>
> Regarding your problems, I'm on Thunderbird and I'm finding no problem
> at all with the new ML config. Somebody obviously told Thunderbird about
> the new munging option for Mailman and it all "just works".

I'm not entirely sure but isn't there a difference between Sender and From?
I thought you could still have the original From header somehow.

> The real problem seems to me to be gmail having stupid handling.

How so?


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boost [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of degski via Boost
> Sent: 21 March 2017 23:19
> To: boost
> Cc: degski
> Subject: Re: [boost] [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?
>
> On 21 March 2017 at 17:10, Steven Watanabe via Boost <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > AMDG
>
> <snip>
>
> > In Christ,
> > Steven Watanabe
>
> IMHO the boost mailing list should be free of political and/or religious
> expressions. Maybe nobody else minds, but I do mind (I'm happy to
> elaborate, if required). Steven, please refrain from expressing your
> personal beliefs in every mail you send to a mailing list dealing with
> boost and c++ and limit the contents to those 2 subjects.

Boost is mostly a tolerant crowd?

Paul





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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 22/03/2017 0:11, Niall Douglas via Boost wrote:

> Regarding your problems, I'm on Thunderbird and I'm finding no problem
> at all with the new ML config. Somebody obviously told Thunderbird about
> the new munging option for Mailman and it all "just works".
>
> The real problem seems to me to be gmail having stupid handling.

I'm also on Thunderbird (Windows), but using NTTP via Gname, and only
Boost.build shows "Joe Coder via Boost list" in the From column. All
other lists show only the boost mailing list address, which is really
annoying and makes difficult to follow the discussion.

I've reviewed the raw headers and the "Joe Coder via xxx" From field is
there but for some reason I can't understand yet my thunderbird
configuration does not like it and show only the mailing list address in
the From column of the NTTP.

Best,

Ion


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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Ion GaztaƱaga via Boost
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 22/03/2017 0:11, Niall Douglas via Boost wrote:
>
>> Regarding your problems, I'm on Thunderbird and I'm finding no problem
>> at all with the new ML config. Somebody obviously told Thunderbird about
>> the new munging option for Mailman and it all "just works".
>>
>> The real problem seems to me to be gmail having stupid handling.
>
>
> I'm also on Thunderbird (Windows), but using NTTP via Gname, and only
> Boost.build shows "Joe Coder via Boost list" in the From column. All other
> lists show only the boost mailing list address, which is really annoying and
> makes difficult to follow the discussion.
>
> I've reviewed the raw headers and the "Joe Coder via xxx" From field is
> there but for some reason I can't understand yet my thunderbird
> configuration does not like it and show only the mailing list address in the
> From column of the NTTP.

The email address is [hidden email] in all cases, is that
address in your TB address book?
Different names with the same email address might confuse TB.

--
Olaf

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Re: [mailing list] No Reply-To in messages?

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On 24/03/2017 9:04, Olaf van der Spek via Boost wrote:
>
> The email address is [hidden email] in all cases, is that
> address in your TB address book?
> Different names with the same email address might confuse TB.

Awesome. The list address was in the address book with boost at etc..
name. Deleting all boost entries from the "collected" addresses makes
"Joe Coder via Boost" visible. That also explains why boost build list
was not having problems (this address was not in the address book).

Many thanks,

Ion



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